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hello welcome to composure cast episode
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26 this week month this time you talk
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about we talk about the Apple arcade we
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talk about the Google stadia
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you said is it called star D or stadia
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and I made the point that there’s a Red
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Hot Chili Peppers
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album that is called stadia Arcadia and
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it’s not called star dia Oh Katya is it
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so well I don’t know maybe everyone’s
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been saying it wrong I mean they do say
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aluminum so knows so we talked
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about that and our disappointment / you
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know anticipation yeah see how it goes
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how people could possibly how the
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developers gonna make money how you
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should make money as a composer so if
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there’s any composers listening to this
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I give my very vague thoughts on on
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contracts yes and we we deconstructed a
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track yes Zelda yes everyone loves elder
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and everyone and it’s the it’s the
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forest theme let’s call it that for now
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yeah yeah it’s not big ewis yeah surname
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name it’s just called forest forest
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because they didn’t need to think of big
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titles take up any room
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anyway we deconstructed that from the
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link to the past
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Zelda sniff game cool and we also talked
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a little bit about what we played this
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month we do as we do as as we as is our
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want our want and that spelled wo NT not
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won’t one
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this part of time in games this week
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William I have played a lot of play for
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us I always do
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we played VR together we did a we played
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that archery game that I went on about a
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few weeks ago siege siege VR really good
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yeah but like proper impressed just by
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really simple things only a couple of
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levels but you were waving your bloody
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arrow around yeah and my euphemism and
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being impressed by the lighting yeah and
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you were waving your arrow around harder
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to say than it sounds and you were
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impressed by the sound design I was
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because the way every time it’s real
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it’s like as I said just simple things
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just like and the fact that you know it
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it one-to-one mimics your body movement
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and hand movements and stuff so that was
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nice they actually have an entire body
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yeah looking next to you and you’re like
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you can dance that’s about it oh you can
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fire arrows into each other
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you can’t yet when a little little
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splatter of blood comes out and but the
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game was really fun
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I was really yeah I was really surprised
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to how and it’s cheap chips may read you
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know chips yeah $3.99 I think that one’s
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sterling so yeah well worth it by but
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that’s not what I’ve been playing well
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is cuz it’s what my dad’s been playing
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my dad every time my dad comes around
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he’s plays like seeds for about two
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hours last night fending his castle off
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for have to talk to him or anything no I
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just say dad you get him too close to
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the boundaries he doesn’t he’s good with
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that he understands in my room the
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entire thing is boundaries now the only
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thing like every time I draw the arrow
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boundary I just had to play with
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boundaries for my time is either that
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elbow is too far back and hitting the
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back wall or that arm is too far
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forwards and it’s about to punch the
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computer screen you need to relocate
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William just my life everything yeah up
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and move yep to Wales please
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I wouldn’t know this you can be away for
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a bit yeah although we can do this over
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Skype yeah
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no you just because you’ve got a living
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room that’s nice and I know the living
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would be perfect it’s really big and
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spacious oh but I need a weekend free to
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move to move everything down there no
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you don’t need a whole weekend I do
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hours but if I move it down there
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yeah it’s not gonna come back for a
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while is it no no never but that’s where
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I do my music making that’s where it’s
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lovely podcast by two computers okay
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with that silence you genuinely
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contemplate
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yeah and computer yeah cuz I know you’ve
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wanted to update your your graphics
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cards and all that why you just buy a
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new computer and then you can have one
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downstairs one upstairs
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well then was that one that was all the
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package together wasn’t it 1150
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secondhand yeah that was good well
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anyway that’s for you to contemplate
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yeah and the podcast yeah I played I
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play I bought a new game I didn’t play
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it for super long but I bought it
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because it’s made by Ubisoft or Ubisoft
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or best and I think that as a avid VR
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man and I think we need to support the
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triple-a people that whenever they
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really I know you said that to me the
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other day yesterday in fact maybe yeah
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yeah it was yeah yeah I thought that was
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a very strange thing to say and it took
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me a second to processor because I was
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like but shouldn’t you be supporting the
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little guy since like well no because
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well yes well yeah it’s less support
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everyone yeah yeah but if these are the
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people who are really gonna like Ubisoft
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will be the ones who invest in the
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technology yes you don’t want to support
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them you want to show to all the big
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guys all the big guns all the big knobs
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that there is there is a market for you
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to make games that we will buy them I
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will you buy those games all of us all
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of us collectively as VR enthusiasts we
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will purchase your space junkies game
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was that the game yep okay so well what
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are the only reasons a boy it’s cuz all
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on sale it was it was 14 pounds instead
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of 30 so that’s quite a discount oh yeah
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and it was on my wishlist and I was like
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look right I’m gonna have to do this at
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some point I’m gonna have to buy you
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Ubisoft game and today’s the day so I
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did it and it’s like a dress it
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described quake but in space although
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quake happens in space it does a bit
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yeah quake in zero gravity is more an
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accurate thing to say so it’s like lone
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echo mm but we’ve guns
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sounds fun yeah it’s a bit where you
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shoot the gun and that pushes you back
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with yeah yeah because of velocity so
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you’ve got to think about that yeah yeah
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you don’t think about it that much
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because you got boosters on your back so
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if it does push you back a bit you just
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fly forwards a bit more but it’s one of
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those things where it’s just loads of
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not minigames but it’s just game off the
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game off the game and it’s online-only
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which I will say is mildly disappointing
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I like I like a game to have a campaign
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mode as well because or a single-player
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mode at least where even if I was a
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single-player a single-player tutorial
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like introduced things okay yeah but
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yeah yeah so like you know if you log on
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and there’s no one else online you can’t
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play it yeah and that’s a bit light but
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because it’s new there is always people
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online
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yeah until they shut down the service Oh
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guards why are they doing it no they’re
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not doing it but yeah see that’s the
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thing as well although I find do you
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find that if you if you’re like ha this
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games got an online mode but it’s from
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the PlayStation 2 error I wonder if
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there’s anyone online there is there
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just happens to be one person online who
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still plays this game all the time well
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that’s what that’s what I done played
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and it was fun I played it proper loads
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but we played Pavlov yep yeah that’s
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still good that’s still a good game with
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all the updates
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yeah well the update just was just a bit
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yeah but it gives you a shooting range
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yes and then you can press the buttons
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on the side to adjust the distance of
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that yeah it’s so-so Pavlov is a
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counter-strike e-type game but VR I
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think there’s another one and you know
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other videos online of people like
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playing via and it’s always like you
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know they have the strap lines above and
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below the video it’s like this go makes
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me want to play for your there’s one is
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called zero caliber I think I seen that
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one
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it’s like Pavlov except more War II more
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like Call of Duty more like you going
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out there we’ve got these special ops
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you’re gonna do some crazy things with
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guns
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whereas was that you yeah the lid wasn’t
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actually on properly
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Williams drinking a cold coffee and had
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to read the instructions on the side of
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how to drink it didn’t have to
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it was a habit from other cough I’m new
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to this
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– the whole coffee scene consuming goods
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human collab you too – eating and
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drinking so every time I choke just just
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a coffee bit when you do that so I don’t
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drink coffee but I’ve started drinking
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iced coffee iced lattes yeah and all the
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other ones I bought I said well shake
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well before and then I bought one of
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them nitro bonds or something it’s a
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monster once no no yes
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Nestle I said Nestle but that was my
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brain trying to think of something I
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remember caffeine arrow maybe but did it
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say on it do not shake there yes you
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will throw it it yes it said tip gently
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tip because when you’re opening its got
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like a nitro bull thing inside Jesus and
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goes Shh it’s like faster furious it’s
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like Vin Diesel drink exactly Wow
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well I know that the monster expresso
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things say don’t shake I’m gonna stash
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those why not well I was drinking energy
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drinks and then I went into I was like
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no I don’t want any drinks I want to go
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on caffeine a difference yes yeah fair
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enough I can’t really ever go I drink
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coffee every day while we’re talking
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about this oh it’s because you’re inept
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act
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yeah lid putting on what have you been
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playing I played Skyrim we are of course
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yep not scary I can’t think the all it
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has been you sense the same as a
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Jurassic Park no I think I just got
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confused and started singing in Jurassic
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Park theme although Rachel did watch
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Jurassic Park for the first time last
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week Oh what did she think she enjoyed
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it yes alright I was watching at the
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same time and I’m convinced it’s a
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horror movie now as opposed to as
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opposed to just adventure yeah yeah
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pretty scary every like I’m really
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scared of dinosaurs it’s horrible well
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I’ve got some good news for you yeah all
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dead actually taking you know not
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because alligators and brothers they’re
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all is the big the big like t-rex thing
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yeah I’m coming to the window and you
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see it are
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and he eats Vince Vaughn on the toilet
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Denis yeah I don’t want to beat him by a
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t-rex on toilet anyway I’ve been playing
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Skyrim and that’s got dragons in which
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are just as scary as the dinosaurs so
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I’m quite scared by them as well good
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but I’ve installed lots of mods on
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Skyrim VR to make it playable because
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when you so as we’re talking about music
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and sound design E bits and stuff as we
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should be yeah as I never do but when
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you install it it doesn’t have 3d audio
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does I’m saying when you say 3d audio
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because we spoke about this with the
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oculus and that so it’s got that thing
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where it it knows where your head is in
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space sure do you mean that or do you
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just literally mean left and right and
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that no I mean it’s just got stereo left
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and right so imagine you put a set of
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headphones on a game normally mm-hm
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and you just got the left and right and
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you can’t really tell if anything’s
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behind you or in front of you it’s just
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stereo nothing’s even calibrated to say
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oh it doesn’t sound like you’re saying
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yeah this is behind you yeah so you have
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to install a mod for that and then that
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makes everything sound eyes all coming
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from all around you the waterfalls over
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there then and so that sorts out all the
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sound yes that’s really nice it’s
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amazing that there’s people I commend
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you people that spend their free time
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doing stuff like that so we can enjoy
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things that should have been done on
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games yeah I mean like there’s a
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community of people out there that enjoy
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a game so much they’re like this this
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should be better and I’m but then but
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then do you not think that it makes
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companies like Bethesda and Ubisoft like
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slack because they’re like you know
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we’ll release this and then someone in
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the community will fix it later mate
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yeah maybe but I what I want them to do
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is go I will release this because that
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is what we got and then someone goes and
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fixes it and they go on the team yeah
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yeah they should they should compensate
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at least for people that just hire them
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to do it for next time yeah I remember
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when he didn’t put in that 3d audio this
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guy can do it
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Raz for five did exactly a major
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dollar ass oh my I love Raz so yeah I’ve
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installed that mod and then I’ve
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installed a bunch of them again talking
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about sound actually I did want to
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mention this about the music but on the
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sound front first yeah
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more immersive sound so you install a
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package and it’s on lots and lots of
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different of the levels are they in
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Skyrim different areas okay so when
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you’re going to Whiterun
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you’ve got the ambient sound there and
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so they’ve got a lot more chatter and
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people walking around and talking and
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you’ve got like music coming out the
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tavern and stuff and then when you’re
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walking around normally they’ve got
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nature sounds so is this all part of a
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mod this is this is all a mod version or
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mascara all a mod so you’ve got like B’s
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you can hear bees buzzing around you
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occasionally and animals off in the
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distance and wolves howling somewhere it
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makes it way more immersive and that’s
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just putting in some extra sound effects
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yeah
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there’s one I love the way you said just
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just you just you know just scatter them
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about just throw them in the game and
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they’ll sort themselves out yeah well
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there but there is one that loops too
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much and his annoying has like two
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variations and that’s it yeah and it
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doesn’t do anything else yeah it might
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be an owl or something okay it’s
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something it’s a bird of some sort okay
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come on Boone a loon yeah that’s the the
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bird that goes I’ll of making that noise
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it’s amazing how often do you know of
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this my safe word William so every week
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God so that is the he that’s this sound
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in terms of the ambience and stuff yeah
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so that helps a lot well it’s amazing
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how much ambient sound effects make to
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an immersion of a game yeah I mean like
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like the music obviously makes a big
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difference but the immersion is the
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Folies I wanted to mention the music go
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on do you know what I did what did you
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do
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turned it off really yeah well because
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it was not adaptive enough or gon give
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you notes because maybe because it was
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too adaptive it was too there’s no sort
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of suspense that was a thing so if I’m
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walking around the the wilderness yeah
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and I’ve got my bow and arrow ready I’m
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having a nice time or maybe you’ve got a
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sword in one hand and I’ve got fire and
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the other one yeah
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I’m gonna find some rabbits to kill
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monster um yeah there’s no was gonna say
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if the music will tell you that there’s
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an enemy nearby okay yeah so it gives
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you too many signifiers
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yeah it’s too like you’re like well be
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all quiet something nearby oh well where
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is it and you look around but if you
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don’t have that cue it’s way more scary
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you might hear a wolf over there yeah
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it’s a wolf somewhere oh there’s a
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whole pack of the buck and then you can
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see them coming for you and is like
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you’re actually walking in the
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wilderness and it has a lot more yeah
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just fear around it I think yeah that’s
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funny because so but the music should
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music should kind of sit under
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everything and kind of improve your
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whole experience yeah I mean it’s the
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it’s do you want music to be always
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non-diegetic or always diegetic or a mix
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of the two because in a game like Skyrim
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maybe you’re saying that you always
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wanted to be diegetic sound that’s
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happening but you know you go near a bar
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yes that’s exactly yeah that’s so that’s
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exactly what is happening now is there’s
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nothing unless you’re in a town or
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something there’s a tavern you go in the
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tavern there’s a guy playing an
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instrument yeah and that I think this
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was mentioned on the on one of the mods
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in the comments as well that brings a
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massive sense of relief you go oh I’m
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back in Civilization yeah there’s actual
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humans making noise and this is nice
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okay yeah normally I would never turn
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off the music in a game because normally
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that’s what you’re listening for yeah
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are you playing the game exactly because
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you like music don’t ya but also it’s no
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fault with our composer in this bit I
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think it’s just because it was adapted
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to VR yeah you want you well more aware
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of just everything around you yeah
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exactly you’re in the space as opposed
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to watching this space yeah yeah so you
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know I might turn it back on but I think
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I’ll leave off but also the game came
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out eleven eleven eleven didn’t it yes
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aged eight years old yeah one of them
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was ages ago
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yeah maybe it’s just I’m fed up in the
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music yeah well yeah yeah I bought the
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game like five times that’s stupid
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I’ve never bought it once you have to
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come out to play it yeah I’m inviting
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myself and the other mod I want to talk
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very quickly about no no the other – you
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want William okay the other that’s too
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long
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carry on I now have a full four bottles
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I know you’ve put on a lot of carry-on
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okay I need to stop saying carry on
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carry on Thanks
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yeah now I have a full body in in the
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game so before you just had the thing
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just the oculus controllers or just the
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vive controllers which she looked a bit
17:30
crap and then they it’s because they’re
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the vive controlled as they are crowd
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yeah and then they updated it see had
17:35
hands and that was really cool because
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then you could see if you put on a ring
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in the game of ring would appear on your
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hand and so you could shoot out all the
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fire and stuff and then someone’s made a
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mod so you can have a body and I’m
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guessing the body does the same thing
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where if you wear a bit of armor he
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changes it you can look down and see the
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exact armor and everything it’s a lot of
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work for them to do isn’t it they’re
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gonna have to model all of the different
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armor and all I know is different stuff
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well sort of but it’s already there so I
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think what they did is they created a
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like a model mesh yeah that was the same
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as what it is in the game currently so
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they just took that and then they just
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made it be able to move in VR so your
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arms move around yeah and if you go low
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then you start ducking down your legs
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Bend I mean always looks a bit funny in
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VR anyway always like your legs flailing
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around I like it I like that weirdness
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yeah so I installed that and then after
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that it’s just a bunch of other little
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things to make it look prettier
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basically yeah like the thing you said
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about the sky you always like the sky’s
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height wise the scry it’s the sky so
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green yeah but you’ve changed it now so
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it’s black yes and blue yeah like a
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bruise yeah so that’s what I’ve been
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playing this week cool gaming news
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gaming news news flash this game McGill
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is
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today William there has been news of
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companies trying to get money for gaming
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well good thing exactly it’s a mystery
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to all of us so Apple and doing it
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aren’t they yeah Apple have got Apple
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arcade it’s not an arcade it’s your
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iPhone like normal yeah they want to
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make a subscription service because why
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it sells because it sells but also
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because their hardware is getting so
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expensive and there’s so little
19:24
difference between each version on
19:27
phones now and and the laptops and
19:29
everything yeah that why would you
19:31
upgrade especially when a new like the
19:34
new iPhones like 1,100 or 1,200 pounds
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bring them out every year yeah and they
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act as if they’re the most innovative
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things in the world that’s the thing
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that annoys me about Apple that is that
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all right all right I won’t do it i
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won’t do it no go on the thing that I
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wanna save it for when court case yeah
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Apple listen to this
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oh we’re suing you for what slander yeah
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bring it on yeah Apple actually probably
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shouldn’t shouldn’t try and they’ve got
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quite a lot of money behind them yeah
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and they’ll have more money with Apple
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okay yeah well they won’t I hope it
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fails although I do if they oppose what
20:08
because of the developers well because
20:10
it gives people another option for
20:12
gaming we should probably explain what
20:14
it actually is no no no yokan the apple
20:16
arcade is a subscription service where
20:19
there you will have when it releases
20:22
exclusive games so you won’t be able to
20:24
play them on any other sort of platform
20:25
mm-hmm but you’ll be able to play them
20:27
on your iPhone and on your iPad and on
20:31
your Mac mmm and Apple TV as if anyone
20:34
has an Apple TV anymore yeah yeah but
20:36
you’ll be able to play them across all
20:38
these platforms about me so I don’t know
20:39
if they’re gonna be selling a controller
20:41
of some sort there must be some way to
20:43
control it through your TV the Apple TV
20:46
one would have to have something I mean
20:48
they expect you to use that tiny Apple
20:49
remote that you get with it yeah but the
20:52
idea is that if you playing on your
20:53
phone and you’re playing the game like
20:54
oh this really fun I’m having fun
20:56
doo-doo-doo-doo
20:57
oh no I’m busy you put the phone down
20:59
you go home and you open up your MacBook
21:01
and you’re meant to be doing some work
21:03
and just like oh I just carry on with
21:05
this game and then
21:06
and then you carry on in your back your
21:08
back in it to you saying everyone who
21:09
works with an apple is a slacker that’s
21:12
what you’re saying
21:13
that’s not what I said no I think
21:14
everyone is a slacker oh yeah actually
21:16
that is a good point anyone who opens up
21:18
the laptop the first thing to do isn’t
21:19
work is it no it’s Google pornography
21:22
yeah okay sure we talked about I reckon
21:27
we should talk about that and Google
21:28
still the same time the same time
21:30
because they’re essentially the same
21:31
thing aren’t they sort of they’re both
21:33
well we don’t know how Google stadia is
21:35
going to be priced or anything at the
21:37
moment I was so you’ve got prices for
21:40
the Apple thing um what’s up so Apple’s
21:42
gonna be subscription-based so stadion
21:44
not gonna be subscription-based they’re
21:46
not sure well they bought they seem like
21:47
they want to give lots of different
21:48
things so the Apple thing you’ll pay a
21:50
subscription you’ll get access to all
21:52
these em games and they’ll be it says a
21:55
hundred games when it comes out all
21:56
exclusive to that platform and they
21:59
won’t have any ads they won’t have any
22:00
in-game perch there’s nothing like that
22:02
so that’s really nice I like that idea
22:04
okay I just feel like I’ve been hurt
22:06
before with all these sort of promises
22:07
seriously you know they sneak it in
22:09
black actually I know you’re paying this
22:11
much but if you play if you pay the plus
22:13
price actually but but not just like the
22:16
promise of all of these exclusive titles
22:18
and all of these on the release do you
22:20
know I mean are we gonna have a hundred
22:21
titles on launch and then you look and
22:23
50 of them are just candy crush clones
22:25
maybe Mia but candy crush kind of relies
22:28
on the freemium model yeah yeah that’s
22:32
it sorry freemium yeah yeah where is
22:33
this saying they specifically don’t want
22:35
that that’s what they trying to go
22:37
against you say that but if a candy
22:39
crush game wasn’t a freemium model it’s
22:42
a fun game you know I mean it never
22:44
played it it’s just a puzzle game
22:46
adicted you will yeah it’s a good game
22:50
but but okay so the the so the Apple
22:54
thing will be a monthly subscription and
22:55
then stadia could be you buy what a
22:59
one-off controller thing and then you
23:01
have access to this icy stadia as being
23:03
a separate thing like maybe not even the
23:05
same league as Apple because the Apple
23:08
stuff is all going to be his kind of
23:09
mobile games really isn’t it yeah Google
23:11
stadia the idea is that it’s Triple A
23:14
games yeah or it doesn’t it compute
23:16
indeed whatever but that you can play
23:18
any
23:19
game on any device yeah all you have to
23:22
do is you if you’ve got a good enough
23:24
internet connection stream it to your
23:25
life device yeah yeah because they’re
23:27
they’re using like GPUs that are the
23:30
cert cloud-based GPUs aren’t they so all
23:32
of the technology that is what you would
23:35
need in a PC they’re doing all of that
23:37
from streaming it from a remote server
23:41
yep
23:41
so really cool I did it is and I think
23:44
it will work if you’ve got internet that
23:45
fast enough because we went to comic-con
23:48
and I tried out it wasn’t Google’s one
23:50
bit of some other people doing this sort
23:52
of thing yeah and they had a bunch of
23:54
shitty laptops and they had it on a
23:56
phone yeah and it was streaming off of
23:58
some device somewhere else yeah running
24:01
perfectly yeah it was fortnight’s it
24:02
wasn’t that demanding no still yeah
24:06
it’s a cultural phenomenon it is the
24:09
thing that just dances so I can it’s
24:12
just a double you know if you ever make
24:13
a game pop some dancers in there I know
24:15
yeah
24:16
get the yo-yos back we’ll get those back
24:17
in I’ve actually got Johanna on speed
24:20
dial if you want to know yeah with this
24:23
so they will be you’ll be able to stream
24:25
up to 4k 60 frames per second okay if
24:30
you’ve got good enough Internet okay
24:31
which is awesome yeah but when yeah yeah
24:34
it still there is still a limitation
24:36
though and it’s the internet speed it’s
24:38
the internet speed yep so you’ll buy a
24:39
controller and yeah your stream so you
24:42
don’t have to download any games yeah
24:43
which is cool you literally you play
24:45
them straight off like they’re all
24:46
they’re installed in the cloud already
24:48
yeah you’re just stringing them straight
24:50
away so that the amount like you get a
24:52
game and you go home I’m gonna play this
24:55
is exciting and this is for people who
24:57
are consoles yeah like yeah but the ps4
25:00
and I forgot you kind of have to the
25:02
games yeah and then but then I still
25:04
think they’re giving you more avenues to
25:06
whinge about something if it doesn’t
25:08
work I mean I imagine if you don’t have
25:10
any hardware then there’s nothing really
25:12
to go wrong unless it’s on the Google
25:13
servers and then what you meant to do
25:15
well this is a problem so are you just
25:17
renting the games for a little while are
25:20
you paying a subscription service to
25:22
have access to all these games but if
25:23
you stop paying you don’t have any
25:24
access anymore are you buying the game
25:27
but if you buy it really you’re just
25:29
buying a license yeah and the license
25:31
might be you know
25:32
infinite but what happens when google
25:35
goes away yeah yeah Google are
25:38
definitely never going but that’s the
25:40
thing this might just end exactly and
25:42
Google cut out services all the time
25:44
I’ve sort of thought right so all these
25:46
games that are iconic massive legendary
25:50
titles video game wise you know you look
25:52
at them they’re they’re usually n64
25:54
games snez games PlayStation 1 games
25:57
right yeah maybe it depends where you’re
26:00
going I’m going with my mind I’m already
26:02
disagreeing I’m just not quite sure yet
26:04
oh yeah because I don’t think I made a
26:05
point my point was that the reason those
26:08
games are iconic and the reason that
26:10
people still play them is because they
26:11
have physical copies of those games that
26:13
are unchanged and will always be
26:15
unchanged yes so that’s another thing
26:17
which I think we mentioned in a previous
26:19
podcast about there being like a museum
26:22
for games yeah and that if you’ve got
26:25
these physical things these are accurate
26:26
they can go in the museum and you know
26:28
they still exist and you can copy them
26:29
at a later date if you still got the
26:31
right hardware and everything yeah yeah
26:33
they still exist whereas I just feel
26:36
like if you’re doing something that’s a
26:37
streaming thing it’s giving you the
26:39
mindset of well this game isn’t
26:40
permanent this game is I’m gonna play
26:42
this game and then be bored of it and
26:43
I’m not I’m not gonna go back to it
26:45
again and again and again because oh
26:47
look I’ve got access to this one now and
26:48
you know yeah like which is like my
26:51
Steam library yeah and something games
26:54
I’ve got about four installed yeah I
26:57
play one of them yeah Skyrim oh no I
27:01
wasn’t counting the VR stuff yeah Mel
27:03
Gear Solid 5 ok that’s what I play on
27:07
the PC yeah that’s about it yeah
27:09
everything else is VR yeah but and
27:11
there’s this huge list of games and but
27:12
do you ever get it and this is the same
27:14
thing that I get with Netflix is that
27:16
because there’s too much choice yeah I
27:18
go oh just sitting browse imager yeah
27:22
yeah
27:23
oh no I’ll sit and browse Netflix for
27:25
half an hour and not get nothing yeah
27:27
haven’t watched of not getting nothing
27:28
not getting nothing mate no um you
27:30
haven’t seen anything and I know it’s
27:32
meant to suggest things that you want to
27:34
watch and all that but that depends on
27:37
my mood maybe maybe if they hook that up
27:40
to some sort of mood monitor like we’ll
27:42
hook up to my Fitbit and collect even
27:43
more data from me yeah
27:45
ah you’re in the mood for something a
27:47
little raunchy aren’t you yes always
27:49
that flick basically the Google
27:52
stadia thing I’ve got some facts about
27:54
the about the GPU gone so right you’ve
27:59
got the the ps4 pro right the GPU in
28:03
that delivers 4.2 teraflops
28:06
apparently flops yeah what it means it
28:11
can complete four point two trillion
28:15
operations per second Wow well then
28:18
that’s a teraflop
28:19
yes so four point two teraflops is the
28:22
so it’s the GPU power in the ps4 Pro so
28:26
it’s the processing speed yeah this is
28:29
assuming I know how GPUs work I’ve just
28:31
got some words yeah numbers and numbers
28:34
yeah the Xbox one X right six teraflops
28:37
so it’s less sorry more ps4 one four
28:40
point two four point two okay yeah and
28:42
the Google Cloud thing so they’ll be
28:46
using AMD okay which is interesting and
28:48
so that will deliver ten point seven
28:50
teraflops so ten point seven trillion
28:53
operations per second and that’s more
28:56
than twice the amount that the
28:57
PlayStation can do yeah and yeah what 16
29:02
gig of ram okay i’ve got warm that
29:07
processor i’m not sure if it’s a
29:09
quad-core or octo-core i-27
29:12
the only information about the processor
29:15
right 2.7 gigahertz it’s that not much
29:19
is it not don’t think so but it depends
29:22
like if it’s yeah I don’t know it’s not
29:24
the thing with computers is I’m I’m new
29:28
to it I’m a year in you haven’t had to
29:31
do anything nice now because if you do
29:35
have to do something you’ll be pull that
29:37
out push that in yeah it’s done then let
29:39
the internet do the rest of it exactly
29:41
but what I was gonna say is it feels
29:43
like you know you’re fighting for the
29:45
highest number so I don’t want this
29:46
number to be the highest number I want
29:47
this number to be the highest number
29:48
which is why you go on the internet and
29:50
you check the actual benchmarks to see
29:51
how they run on actual things yeah but
29:55
when one of those numbers is lower can
29:57
one of the other numbers pick
29:59
so the the the the GPU as this silly
30:02
number yes right does that mean that
30:04
that can pick up the slack of the
30:06
processor if the process is a lower
30:08
number do you know what I mean no I do
30:10
know what you mean
30:11
I’m not gone for not enough to say yes
30:12
or no I think yes because I think it
30:14
does things that the CPU could do okay
30:18
because there’s a thing called threading
30:19
now as well that I’ve only just learned
30:21
about you don’t know about that me
30:23
neither
30:23
it’s a word one of these computer words
30:25
yeah that sounds impressive doesn’t it
30:27
threading hmm I think it’s even called
30:29
super threading ultra threadings next I
30:33
was going to say with the GPU is the
30:36
reason they can get it so good and
30:37
bloody big in that is because they’ve
30:39
got an infinite amount of physical space
30:41
they can use so that it’s streaming to
30:43
you from a cloud but if you went there
30:45
physically it could be a cabinet oh yes
30:47
so the the it’ll be in their data
30:50
centers which I think that Google have
30:52
got data centers in about 200 countries
30:54
Wow
30:55
so it’ll be dual boot up your game and
30:57
it’ll be running in one of those data
30:59
centers yeah and if that fails it will
31:00
fall back to another one you’ll never
31:01
notice yeah so the idea is kind of cool
31:05
but like you said are you gonna yep you
31:07
don’t really own the game it’s not a
31:09
physical thing there hmm and you might
31:12
not have that same attachment to it of
31:13
like ah I’ve just got this in your game
31:15
I need to play it and need to start
31:16
middle and cool I’ve done it that was an
31:18
achievement yeah pick it up and go well
31:21
cool played it for a bit
31:22
especially because yeah with the with
31:25
the steam game you’re into you’ve got to
31:27
do that thing where you’re like I’ve
31:28
paid for this now I gotta have to enjoy
31:29
it
31:30
yeah where is that if you’re renting all
31:33
of the games
31:34
I know literally just at this point but
31:36
yeah it’s that it’s because you’ve
31:38
rented all of the games and you’re doing
31:40
it but how are they going to pay for it
31:41
surely it’s gonna be a monthly
31:42
subscription thing it has to be there’s
31:44
no other model for it to be well there
31:47
is so you can either do what you can
31:49
have a number of things so I think they
31:50
said they wanted it to open up to
31:52
different business models so it it’ll be
31:55
easier if you’re the developer and
31:57
you’ve made a game and you’ve done it
31:59
for that Google stadia thing it’ll be
32:01
easier for you to send a link to someone
32:03
and go here play this yeah and the
32:06
person then could either because they
32:08
are subscribed they could either then go
32:10
cool I can play it straight away or they
32:12
can go oh okay I have to pay this much
32:14
money so you might still be just buying
32:16
a game like normal okay so you buy pay
32:19
ten quid 20 quid whatever yeah and then
32:21
you just play it straight wait instead
32:22
of with steam having to install it
32:24
Oh front of hard drive space whoops yeah
32:26
no yeah definitely I was going to say
32:28
it’s that link sending them a link thing
32:30
is like having stuff on Spotify yeah
32:33
it’s like you might as well just have it
32:35
on Spotify because you know that if
32:36
someone you’re like okay listen to this
32:38
tonight listen to it rose before you
32:41
would be like right it’s on my myspace
32:42
or it’s on my band camp or whatever you
32:44
just go to Spotify and they go okay cool
32:46
but even if people don’t have Spotify
32:48
the nice thing is that you get a
32:49
30-second preview of the track anyway
32:50
oh really okay cool what you get to
32:53
listen to stuff anyway with ads don’t
32:55
you you know about this don’t you yeah I
32:57
was gonna save it but the other bit I
33:03
want to talk about on the so the Apple
33:05
thing Apple Arcade in Google stadia I
33:08
want to talk about how people are gonna
33:09
make money on it okay so I did a bit of
33:13
research yeah I want to see how
33:14
developers gonna make money so with
33:16
PlayStation Plus you know people pay for
33:18
that and you get that yeah you get every
33:20
game every month or a few free games or
33:23
a few sometimes apparently with that the
33:24
developers or the publishers whoever is
33:26
in charge of all the money yeah they get
33:28
paid up front fee okay PlayStation Sony
33:31
just go up didn’t go we wanna put your
33:32
thing on here here’s some money let me
33:35
go okay thanks so it doesn’t matter to
33:38
them how many they sell or how many
33:40
people download it yeah so that was a
33:42
question that I had because if you are
33:45
streaming stuff it’s very difficult to
33:47
tell like how would you do it the
33:49
persons that played for 30 seconds but
33:51
they downloaded it so that’s a download
33:52
or they played it for a hundred hours
33:54
like where’s yeah money thing wouldn’t
33:57
make any sense there yeah so the way
34:01
Netflix does it is they pay Studios a
34:03
license fee to have their show on the
34:06
platform for a certain amount of time
34:08
okay so pay the studio whatever and say
34:13
right this gives us exclusive access for
34:15
this long and non-exclusive access for
34:17
that long after that time we need to
34:19
renew the license otherwise it comes off
34:20
the platform so it’s so still you get an
34:23
upfront fee you get some stats in the
34:25
background maybe but there’s nothing
34:26
really based on their sort of making a
34:28
gamble a little bit of going do you
34:31
think it’s gonna do really well here
34:32
some money or here’s money for six
34:34
months we’ve come on platform six months
34:36
see how you do and then if you do really
34:37
well we’ll give you more money yeah so I
34:40
think that’s probably so it’s like an
34:42
upfront free or royalties it’s the two
34:43
different things but yeah but royalties
34:45
I can’t see how that would work because
34:47
how are you gonna know is it going to be
34:49
per minute people play the game sup to
34:51
them they can set the parameters can’t
34:53
they eventually up til I’m just trying
34:54
to think of how it would work what would
34:56
they do
34:56
I think I think the upfront fee would be
34:58
the thing within it and then you know
35:00
his his apple and then exclusive I think
35:03
Google but Apple could do it where it is
35:05
an upfront fee but they pay out on how
35:07
many downloads as well so you get a
35:08
lesser fee up front and then because
35:10
people are literally they’ll still have
35:12
to sort of say oh this game was on my
35:15
Apple account yeah you can easily track
35:18
how many people have the game that
35:19
Google will have analytics for
35:20
everything that’s happened I know like
35:22
they won’t be able to access how many
35:24
seconds whatever no but also our Google
35:26
do you think Google are going to be
35:27
doing publishing stuff like about making
35:31
their own exclusives and stuff for you
35:33
know well I think they’ll definitely
35:34
have exclusives right really yes or
35:38
anything yeah do you think they’ll set
35:41
up their I think I’ll set up a studio
35:43
themselves and have the Google ever made
35:45
games before other than that thing that
35:46
is a dinosaur that runs over fences when
35:49
you can’t connect to that game game yeah
35:52
okay yes it’s just I’d be proud if I
35:55
made that would you you almost did
35:57
especially consider how many people must
35:59
have played that game consider how many
36:01
people don’t even know it’s a thing yeah
36:03
actually I showed boss in my office two
36:06
weeks ago I think yeah she had no idea
36:07
of course and the internet was down and
36:09
we had nothing to do all day you know if
36:11
you just press the spacebar oh my god if
36:13
she was on it for ages Internet came
36:14
back upstate no no no no no no no turn
36:17
the internet off again I’m not gonna
36:19
talk about the composure like if you’re
36:21
composing music for a game and it’s on
36:23
any of these platforms how then will you
36:26
get paid because surely it’s while
36:29
you’re making the game that’s when fees
36:31
decided for mate do you know I mean oh
36:34
yeah but while you’re making the games
36:35
to say you’re making the game for one of
36:37
these platforms
36:39
and then the games you know nearing
36:42
completion the issues a few months away
36:44
they get the composer on board and then
36:46
you go cool we need to pay you some
36:47
money yeah like I think the idea of
36:50
having with smaller games you might have
36:52
gone have a live revenue share but I
36:55
don’t think that that doesn’t work
36:57
anymore because the game can’t if
37:00
everything’s a flat fee upfront then you
37:02
can’t have a share of the revenue
37:04
because there is no revenue to have a
37:05
share office like well this is how much
37:07
money we got so we’ll pay you this much
37:09
yeah it’s not like if the game explodes
37:11
I’m gonna get loads of money right yeah
37:14
first contracts isn’t it that’s to do
37:16
with what you’d sign when you made the
37:18
game you know yeah but I mean there is
37:20
there’s no room now for a composer to
37:23
have or with this there would be no room
37:25
for a composer to get a revenue share
37:27
because the revenue is not going to go
37:28
up or down on whatever because if you’d
37:31
normally do it on small small developers
37:34
and studio and stuff if they have no
37:37
money to pay you up front and you really
37:39
like them and do you’ve got a bit of
37:40
time you go well I’m okay I can do this
37:43
give me five percent revenue share yeah
37:45
five percent of the profits and when
37:47
work anymore because there aren’t any
37:48
profits to grab really but because it’s
37:52
a one-off fee yeah so you’d have to
37:56
negotiate within that fee wouldn’t you
37:58
yeah you basically you just agree well
38:00
so I’m taking the course at the moment
38:01
to try and get what not even try to get
38:05
work it’s more to once you found people
38:08
who are possibly willing to pay you some
38:10
money how do you actually negotiate with
38:12
them properly how what kind of deals are
38:14
the best kind of deals so it seems for
38:16
composers the best idea is to get a flat
38:19
fee or note walter quota flat fee that’s
38:21
the first bit because if you quote going
38:23
oh well is this much per minute and that
38:25
much then that’s like that could be
38:28
exponential that could go if development
38:31
of the game is starting up a tiny game
38:33
and then suddenly expands and loads of
38:35
people come on board it’s like well you
38:36
said it 150 pound per minute of finished
38:39
music well actually we need like 200
38:41
minutes of music now whereas if
38:44
you go I I would like this flat fee this
38:46
is how much I’m gonna charge for the
38:48
project in and you give them the
38:50
parameters if it then goes above that
38:52
you renegotiate okay well for this extra
38:54
work this is the flat fee cuz then they
38:56
know exactly how much it’s going to cost
38:57
there’s no surprises okay but it feels
39:00
like you’re doing yourself out of money
39:02
that way though because they could that
39:05
you could go here’s a flat fee yeah for
39:07
this yeah and then there you go we
39:10
needed to record this extra stuff now
39:12
but you said it’s a flat fee so we’re
39:15
not going to pay you anymore what no you
39:16
do a flat fee within the parameters that
39:18
you’re given you go this is the flat fee
39:19
for the project with what you need me to
39:21
do right now right now you need me to do
39:23
45 minutes worth of finished music and
39:25
all mixed in stems done so the idea is
39:28
not to scare off your potential yeah but
39:30
still get paid the amount you’re gonna
39:32
get paid that you should okay and the
39:34
one last important thing wanted to
39:35
mention that is that you should always
39:37
keep the the rights to the music so that
39:40
you can then go on and sell that music
39:43
so they have the music exclusively yeah
39:45
any way to use in the game they can kind
39:47
of do whatever they want with it and
39:48
everything but you still retain the
39:51
rights to put it on Spotify and to sell
39:53
it on Bandcamp so for composers to have
39:56
the if the game get does get really big
39:59
then that is your sort of revenue split
40:02
then because if the game gets big well
40:05
the soundtracks gonna be bought and
40:06
downloaded a lot more yeah so then you
40:08
get that money yeah
40:10
rather than the developers and
40:11
everything because you’re the person you
40:12
put all that together so I think that’s
40:14
an important point to make that you want
40:15
to try and keep those rights for you
40:17
okay and don’t if you are gonna sign
40:19
them away and say right you have all of
40:20
it you’re doing everything developer the
40:23
studio you have all the rights then you
40:26
should ask for a lot of money because
40:31
they bought a new monitor hey was it
40:34
nice was it nice is it not easy well
40:37
well well I bought one with a crack in
40:40
it me got home plugged in little purple
40:42
squiggle on the screen and I went oh
40:44
what’s that tried to run bit off my
40:47
finger kept getting caught and say oh
40:48
what actually work Jesus yes so took it
40:52
back to the shop and was like it’s got a
40:54
crack in it like my butt and they were
40:57
like get out and leave the television
41:00
and and they didn’t have any more in
41:02
stock on that one
41:03
so I really wanted that one it’s really
41:06
nice
41:06
oh sorry you didn’t even get the same
41:08
one no I did I had to then drive from
41:11
Farnborough to Guildford and go there
41:12
because it said the headstock and
41:13
Guildford so job to Guildford I said I
41:17
went in the store I know and then I went
41:21
look I’ve got this it’s got a crack in
41:23
it I can’t exchange it you’ve got three
41:25
or four in your store and they went
41:26
let’s just have a look for you sir
41:28
didn’t have a look um sorry no what do
41:34
you mean why like oh well we don’t have
41:36
any in stock you do I just they checked
41:38
at the other store you’ve got them in
41:39
stock oh yeah no so we do know we can’t
41:43
sell those why well if I just left it
41:47
there like some people might of would
41:49
have been really bad I can go oh
41:51
okay sorry sorry food and just live yeah
41:56
but I didn’t I’d questions of well why
41:58
can’t you sell them what’s wrong with
41:59
them why did you kick off did you stamp
42:01
your feet I didn’t kill a pig I was
42:03
quite timid he was serving me no not
42:06
sick just very timid in quite this
42:08
appoint dog murder because he was like
42:09
this he’s very quiet and they’re the
42:12
people you can push around with you I
42:13
don’t do that now okay um yeah so they
42:17
did have some in stock you know what’s
42:18
wrong with him they were naked had the
42:23
wrong power cable Oh what like European
42:26
or no just completely the wrong cable
42:29
still a normal plug but didn’t have a
42:31
Ketel lead it was a stupid prong end or
42:33
something right sounds like Bert and I
42:39
explained strim so I have cables because
42:42
I’ve just brought them back oh we can do
42:46
that let me go check I’ll ask a manager
42:48
okay go get your manager anyway after
42:51
that long story I go home it was really
42:54
boring really sorry and I’ll put some
42:56
music behind here that will make
42:57
exciting put some scary music behind
43:00
yeah
43:00
oh the monitor to monitor got home yep
43:04
plug this one in Oh lovely okay is 144
43:08
Hertz as an MSI monitor it’s got free
43:11
sync on it turns out my graphics cards
43:13
are not actually good enough to do free
43:14
sync tell me what free sync is it’s not
43:16
where you do the washing-up No
43:18
it’s not this would involve me trying to
43:20
explain what freesync is I don’t really
43:22
know it’s you know vsync on we can turn
43:25
that on and computer so just stop the
43:26
screen tearing so I’m not gonna explain
43:28
this very well your graphics card right
43:30
can render a whole load of frames per
43:32
second right shoves them up to the
43:34
monitor right but it might shove too
43:37
many up there and so the monitors
43:38
refresh and that so many times
43:41
sorry those are too easy
43:44
um the monitors refresh rate isn’t fast
43:47
enough to keep up with it and so it’ll
43:48
like get caught between two it’ll render
43:51
both of them and you get a tear in the
43:52
screen because it has that one there and
43:54
this one air crack so we’ll have a tear
43:59
in the screen so you turn on vsync and
44:03
then that sort of cripples the graphics
44:05
card a little bit and says right stop it
44:08
yeah it’s sending me so much information
44:09
here’s the limit push out a nice
44:11
constant 60 frames per second to stop
44:13
jumping around with your different
44:14
frames my monitor can do 60 frames per
44:17
second push 60 frames a second please
44:19
okay it’s like a resistor well yeah and
44:21
that’s oh that’s nice and it works until
44:23
you get to a point where it can’t push
44:25
out a constant 60 frames a second and so
44:27
it goes well if I can’t do 60 I’ll just
44:30
have to drop down to 45 right and so it
44:32
goes you’ll be playing and there’ll be a
44:34
big like it will just drop to 45
44:36
straightaway yeah and then we’ll jump
44:38
back up to 60 right whereas if you don’t
44:40
have vsync on then it you get all the
44:43
amount of frames in between however you
44:45
want but you get screen tearing
44:46
so what’s free sync so free sync I have
44:50
no idea how it works and it doesn’t work
44:52
with my graphics card but if I had a
44:54
better graphics part it would do it and
44:56
so the monitor does it then and the
44:58
monitor takes all of the frames
45:00
apparently and does something to them
45:02
magic and it’s magic and you don’t need
45:05
to have vsync on your computer the
45:06
monitor sorts it all out for you makes
45:08
it all better
45:09
oh don’t know how it does it circe
45:12
curved as well as this oh yeah there’s a
45:14
curved one yeah I’ve never had a curved
45:15
thing before we were gonna get curved TV
45:18
when we bought this one I was like no I
45:20
like yeah they’re not really any point
45:23
the monitor being curved is nice just it
45:26
when you’re looking at it it’s just got
45:28
a bit on the side you just don’t have to
45:29
turn your head as much yeah
45:31
um but the main thing is it’s a hundred
45:34
and forty-four Hertz
45:35
okay so it can it can accept it can show
45:38
144 frames per second like maximum okay
45:41
which I thought would be good for games
45:44
of which I don’t really play that much
45:46
because the plane in VR mostly yeah but
45:49
it makes everything nicer yeah you said
45:51
you you’re enjoying browsing the
45:52
internet ID and everything SuperDuper
45:58
smooth like because you are getting more
46:02
frames per second basically yes you’re
46:03
scrolling normally in you seeing imagine
46:06
if you’re seeing 24 frames per second as
46:08
you’re scrolling through the Internet oh
46:09
god it would be like you wouldn’t really
46:11
notice it until you get a silly good
46:14
monitor and then you’re like how could I
46:17
ever go on eBay again exactly well I was
46:20
looking everything at once yeah lists
46:22
everything yeah browse everything I was
46:25
looking forward to it for using Reaper
46:27
and composing because the air makes
46:28
sense it when the thing is going across
46:30
like that it’s super smooth and it just
46:32
it’s just nicer that is basically it
46:35
yeah it looks a bit better and now you
46:40
can say all these numbers that you don’t
46:41
understand
46:42
144 free thing I didn’t understand was
46:46
free sync okay everything else it’s
46:49
curved it looks nice alright I think
46:52
there’s a 250 quid Wow which compared to
46:55
all the others around that price point
46:57
this was way better than those okay good
47:02
deconstruction
47:05
deconstruction of a song of a game song
47:11
of a same song yes because this podcast
47:14
is about video game music is it well as
47:16
it is I would like to make it kind of
47:18
half and half yeah okay yeah we were I
47:20
think we had a couple of episodes of we
47:22
talked a lot about VR we don’t on this
47:24
episode yeah but we will always do it on
47:26
the episodes yes as long as I’m part of
47:28
this podcast will you you know you can
47:30
guarantee there would be some VR yeah I
47:32
mean this is my house William fair
47:37
enough yeah but we thought we would
47:40
deconstruct a tune so we wanted to go
47:44
easy on ourselves basically yeah but we
47:49
picked it’s the way it’s just called
47:51
forest but the forest a theme for some
47:54
reason everyone thinks it’s called Lost
47:55
Woods well I think it’s in the Lost
47:57
Woods so that’s almost people call it
48:00
the lost yes so it’s the Lost Woods
48:05
theme from call it whatever you want
48:07
it’s not cold this but it is a cold
48:09
valise you’ll find it if you actually if
48:11
you search for the lost but seems but
48:12
it’s from Zelda link to the past on the
48:15
snares on the snares yeah
48:17
and so she link to the past on anything
48:18
else it was a snare zone just nez i
48:20
think okay yeah i know that we won’t
48:21
find any other versions of this song
48:23
elsewhere no like a gameboy version or
48:26
whatever no well I know there is a Lost
48:29
Woods theme that is the Ocarina of Time
48:31
one but we’re not doing that one no
48:32
we’re not not that one we are not doing
48:36
that one because all the time I spend
48:38
the thing of that song not doing it are
48:40
we you spend time like no I didn’t ok
48:43
the two minutes no were here when I say
48:45
is it this one William no that one a
48:50
tote I sent you a document that had
48:52
paragraphs and paragraphs of text
48:55
explaining what we were doing and you
48:57
didn’t even read it that’s what you’re
48:59
telling me Lloyd look how well that’s
49:01
going it’s fine I know it’s fine well we
49:03
haven’t started and yet right so yeah
49:06
it’s going to deconstruct it also in the
49:08
show notes I will put the I’ll put the
49:11
MIDI file of the song for people because
49:14
if people have access to that they can
49:15
download that it’s really good
49:17
again going parking back to the
49:19
community of people it’s amazing that
49:21
when there’s like a game as classic as
49:23
like anything name of game that’s
49:26
classic Final Fantasy Zelda I can’t name
49:29
any more butter pecan
49:31
Donkey Kong people online have
49:34
replicated it to the max so you can go
49:38
online and find all the resources that
49:39
you want so so this has got a MIDI file
49:42
which is awesome would that be
49:44
that wouldn’t be how they can post it
49:45
though would they fear they did it
49:46
honest Ness but they’ve done it a beard
49:48
tracker would yeah with the option to
49:50
load in samples so that’s nice cool look
49:54
what we’ve definitely talked about this
49:55
if you want to learn more about this
49:56
listen to one of our episodes on the
49:57
history of video game music
49:59
episode 22 well I think it was 22 I know
50:03
it snows and Game Boy because they’re
50:05
very similar they are the same but the
50:07
snez was in mono and the gameboy was in
50:10
stereo and the snare juice samples and
50:12
the gameboy couldn’t I think that was
50:14
the difference anyway anyway I will put
50:17
the MIDI file in the show notes I’ll
50:19
also put I converted it into a guitar
50:22
profile as well and you said did that
50:25
automatically but I imported it into
50:27
Guitar Pro and then did some little
50:29
edits on it so because some stuff is
50:31
like a pretty high octave yeah I brought
50:33
it down an octave and then put the
50:34
little 8va thing which means play it up
50:37
an octave what does that symbol mean sir
50:43
oh god I gotta go back to teaching on
50:47
Wednesday as well shut up yeah exactly
50:52
how I teach no so up at the mill our
50:54
guitar profile and then I’ll just amp a
50:57
PDF of the guitar profile so anyone
51:00
who’s interested can see the notation
51:01
yeah and have a look and see how it’s
51:03
all working yeah so what gone should we
51:06
do the shallowest
51:07
to it first yeah let’s play it play it
51:09
for the for the listeners play it for
51:12
every one mate play it for me as well
51:14
alright oh you want me to play on it
51:15
yeah time to hear it right I have
51:20
listened to it it’s like a minute long
51:22
clip but it’s basically 30 seconds that
51:25
loops isn’t it
51:26
yeah
51:31
[Music]
51:32
[Applause]
51:32
[Music]
51:40
[Applause]
51:55
[Music]
52:00
[Applause]
52:08
well I picked this one because I wanted
52:11
like I want this to become a feature a
52:13
section where we deeply see some use
52:15
already a section is the sword um but I
52:18
wanted to start easy something that I
52:20
could easily pick out the different
52:21
parts and it’s not long and we can
52:23
actually analyze it yeah
52:25
how should we do this should I ask you
52:27
because I have a sheet of questions I
52:29
went through and answered some of them
52:31
yeah
52:32
shall I ask you the question what I
52:34
think afterwards yeah do it
52:36
question one what do you notice and what
52:39
do you like or dislike about the track I
52:42
really like what I think about it I
52:44
don’t know whether I’m gonna cover other
52:45
questions by this one you might know if
52:47
you do I just won’t aren’t asking this
52:49
question Kate so the thing I like about
52:51
most of the Zelda music is it’s really
52:54
obviously Zelda music like I think it’s
52:56
really recognizable as it and I think
52:59
one of the things is the voice that they
53:01
chose to use for that sort of flute
53:03
either it’s really recognizably Zelda
53:08
and I don’t know whether that just
53:10
happens to be like the composer chose
53:12
that and went oh I like that sound
53:13
that’s the sound that I’m gonna use for
53:14
all of my songs or whether it was a
53:16
conscious decision that he was like no
53:18
it needs to be this you know wood
53:21
instrument sound it needs to you know I
53:23
don’t think it’d be conscious yeah I
53:24
think because they want especially in
53:26
just that one game they want everything
53:28
to have the same style yeah absolutely
53:30
I put the melody on the flute and happy
53:32
and ER yeah yeah but it does sound like
53:35
Zelda isn’t it yeah so that that would
53:37
be the thing I liked from the melody was
53:38
that flute sound but I also like the the
53:41
chord pattern is kind of like it’s it’s
53:44
really happy it’s really major and then
53:45
it kind of goes my slight melancholy bit
53:49
doesn’t it where it kind of goes Oh a
53:51
little bit down but don’t worry we’re
53:53
gonna resolve it with this beautiful
53:54
major harmony yeah I draw
53:56
I’ve got some information about the
53:58
harmony actually about the court what
54:00
chord to use and stuff so you want it
54:02
now yeah this involves me scrolling
54:03
where has it gone so the the chords
54:08
start quite dissonant that’s what I
54:10
found so it starts with an E major for
54:12
the first bar but then I think the the
54:17
second chord is it moves up a semitone
54:19
so you start with an E major chord which
54:21
got a teashop be okay and then it moves
54:26
the root note up a semitone to an F yeah
54:28
which is odd okay why is that odd
54:31
because in the key of E major
54:34
you would have an f-sharp normally okay
54:36
so the site didn’t e you major in the
54:38
gun hey here’s a happy chord here’s our
54:40
record and they’ve kind of as youjung
54:46
along that’s how I think of it I’m on
54:47
gets gets it so they’ve gone they’ve
54:49
moved the root note up a semitone to get
54:52
F a and B SAP fab but that gets you know
54:59
if you’re talking about the music theory
55:00
why’s that gets your root note
55:01
yeah it gets you a major third where’s
55:03
your root and third happy yeah and then
55:06
it gets you you can see this is either a
55:09
sharp 4 or a flat 5 okay either way it’s
55:11
weird it’s the same note it’s still a B
55:13
but if it’s I’d probably call it sharp 4
55:17
because it’s that sort of slightly
55:19
dissonant but questioning sound okay
55:22
okay mm okay so is that what the sharp
55:24
four does it gives it that sort of like
55:26
yeah and I think isn’t though you are
55:29
lost in these woods
55:31
exactly and that’s exactly what ever I
55:32
think it’s that combined yeah with the
55:36
nice happy major chord at the beginning
55:38
yeah that sort of lets you know
55:39
everything’s not alright yeah yeah you
55:42
might think it’s okay but you’re wrong
55:43
something’s around the corner yeah so
55:46
that was in woods there’s woody corners
55:50
wooded wooded woody but trees don’t grow
55:55
in squares you could make them grow in a
55:57
square no no no the actual shape of them
55:59
yeah you could put some blocks around it
56:01
and for me cruel isn’t it a little bit I
56:03
don’t know does the tree have feelings
56:04
anyway sorry like I liked
56:09
just the orchestration of it I liked how
56:10
well so they’ve got so what their
56:14
constraints have the snows again so
56:15
we’ve got three voices if we got over
56:16
got more than that you’ve got six six
56:19
six voices and the voices are or you’ve
56:21
got eight channels separate instruments
56:23
they can use so it’s six instruments two
56:25
samples is that correct no I think is
56:28
forget about the samples okay I didn’t
56:30
get about them are we talking about I
56:32
think you’ve got six different channels
56:35
right plus well you’ve got eight
56:37
channels yeah two of them normally used
56:39
for the sound effects yeah and then the
56:40
other six views for the music okay so
56:42
the two that they aren’t using will be
56:43
linked yeah yeah and this sword noises
56:47
and all of that stuff okay cool
56:49
so I liked with the constraints I just
56:51
liked how well orchestrated it was like
56:52
everything’s split across if you were to
56:54
play on a piano it’s like covering a
56:56
massive range of the piano okay
56:58
everything’s got lots of space and it
57:00
just sounds nice doesn’t it yeah no
57:01
percussion which is quite strong
57:03
no percussion yeah I’m not sure how to
57:06
analyze that like
57:07
how can we analyze the thing that isn’t
57:09
there but yeah what good quite the
57:12
decision to not put any percussion in
57:13
yeah I mean maybe it’s because the rest
57:16
of the game you do have a lot of
57:17
percussion and then when you come so
57:20
when you’re in the Lost Woods when
57:22
you’re in the Lost Woods right walking
57:24
around and you’re trying to find the
57:25
master sword and when you do find it I
57:28
was gonna say spoiler alert but I think
57:33
people have had enough time to play it
57:34
yeah I think so the 20 plus years but
57:37
when you do find it it’s like spoilers
57:39
Willy I’m sorry Kari um you find it
57:42
holds it above his head as link does and
57:45
then the wood becomes not lost like it’s
57:49
all shrouded and it’s a weird colour
57:50
when you do find it everything’s bright
57:52
green again oh and so I change the song
57:54
and then they change your music I think
57:55
it’s just a standard overworld being
57:56
them which has the drums coming back in
57:58
yeah it gives quite a massive difference
58:00
between the two like walking around
58:03
getting a bit lost not quite sure where
58:04
you go and you found it
58:06
percussion by its very nature is upbeat
58:09
isn’t it because it’s its beats
58:12
literally but do you know I mean like
58:14
percussion is Sophia if you go if you
58:16
want the dynamic contrast of going from
58:20
somewhere that’s meant to be scary and
58:21
ominous
58:22
– then somewhere that’s upbeat and and
58:25
like hey exciting and yes horse but
58:34
that’s what their does it’s that yeah
58:35
yeah exactly yeah yeah so yeah I was
58:37
doing a bit of a horsey thing them yeah
58:38
yeah it was the movements that was
58:40
scaring me sorry I do I was just
58:42
questioning what you were doing to a
58:43
poner but no so yeah and also I think
58:48
maybe the non percussion in it is
58:50
because the the beats in the background
58:52
are kind of doing it for you
58:54
you’ve got the did you know I mean
58:57
they’re kind of they’re not paddy they
58:59
are staccato they’re giving you a beat
59:01
and I also think as gonna mention that
59:03
so with the you’ve got the chords right
59:06
yeah and the way it’s written out so if
59:08
you do look at the guitar profile you’ve
59:09
got a section full court so it’s split
59:12
that’s actually split into four
59:13
different parts
59:14
you’ve got the flute as the melody yeah
59:15
you’ve got an octave lower another
59:18
melody on strings it just matches it
59:20
exactly just knocked it lower okay so
59:23
what why would they do that presence
59:24
they’re giving it more giving it more
59:26
beefiness
59:26
yeah otherwise you just have a quite
59:28
tinny flute at the top okay so it just
59:30
gives it bit so as it strings yeah much
59:33
as you can get on that does that count
59:34
as harmonizing it doesn’t if it’s not
59:36
changing the chords you sort of I you’re
59:38
harmonizing in a in a dog Dave I suppose
59:40
yeah I did to me I don’t think an octave
59:44
counts as a harmony but I think if it’s
59:46
on a different instrument it does yeah
59:47
yeah okay cool technicals yes so the
59:53
melody is on two instruments octave
59:55
apart and then so the chords would be
59:58
three separate channels but in the
60:01
Guitar Pro thing it shows them as just
60:03
one because you’ve got your three notes
60:05
in a chord just show them on one
60:06
instrument they’re all the same
60:08
instrument anyway it’s just on this and
60:10
when it’s composed on the snares it
60:11
would have to be three separate things
60:13
so because you needed three different
60:16
notes being played at one yeah and so
60:18
everything’s monophonic I think you
60:19
can’t have polyphony I didn’t know that
60:21
I’m pretty sure that’s right but the
60:23
rhythm thing that you’re just talking
60:24
about yeah I think again to emphasize
60:27
this sort of everything’s not all is not
60:30
all good here yeah every bar starts with
60:34
half a beat rest
60:36
okay there’s always this sort of
60:38
lurching go to babble of dirt dirt
60:40
there’s this weird I think that’s I
60:42
think that’s something that is
60:44
throughout the whole Zelda soundtrack as
60:45
well actually that’s sort of like its it
60:47
yeah that rest at the beginning of a bar
60:49
it kind of leaves you that like yeah
60:54
jarring a little bit and it always keeps
60:56
you on your toes rather than if you just
60:57
had chords holding down or even if
60:59
they’re just gonna didn’t yeah that
61:03
would be a bit more Oh adventure
61:05
exciting yeah yeah with that little rest
61:06
it goes no no no no not not today linkie
61:14
boy you’re going to have a treacherous
61:17
journey through these wooded areas
61:21
forest
61:22
sorry carry on I’m also going to include
61:23
in the show notes the PDF with all the
61:26
questions right now so if people want to
61:28
analyze other songs and yeah they can
61:31
look through these questions and I think
61:32
the PDF you can write on it as well it’s
61:33
at one with the proper forms and
61:35
stuffing cool so you can answer all
61:36
those because one of the questions is
61:37
about the forum song and structure and
61:39
the different sections in a song is my
61:42
answer or no because my answer to that
61:43
was it’s only 24 bars long so it’s not
61:46
much for mister well I don’t know is
61:49
there not I don’t know let me ask you
61:52
this the different sections of the song
61:54
okay so yeah there’s basically two isn’t
61:57
there yeah no even that no I think
62:00
you’re right there’s no one sort of
62:01
repeated yeah yeah so that was my aunts
62:04
at that but if you analyze another song
62:06
using this PDF that’ll attach you can
62:09
answer that question like that you could
62:11
also answer the percussion section if
62:12
the form yes and it has a bit to write
62:16
out it gives you a grid of percussion
62:18
yeah so if anyone’s used GarageBand on
62:21
the iPad and you’ve used the drum
62:23
mapping on there you’ll have a grid full
62:25
of percussion it goes across like left
62:27
to right yeah and then you can pick
62:28
which like the bass drum will be on the
62:30
bottom so you pick the square when you
62:32
want the bass drum to play yeah yeah
62:33
it’s like a piano roll but yeah a junket
62:37
yeah so it’s got a diagram with that so
62:39
you can fill that out yeah have fun with
62:41
it just crazy hey put it on and go oh
62:45
there’s the beetle there don’t do as
62:47
long as you like though no I don’t like
62:49
deconstructing music
62:50
like because then you’d like really
62:52
critical of it and then looking and
62:54
you’re like oh no now I’ve now over
62:56
analysed this song and I can’t listen to
62:58
it again without thinking that they’ve
63:00
done that bit wrong not wrong but when
63:03
we tried to do the band thing last year
63:05
yeah well every time I listen to those
63:06
songs now all I can think is like okay
63:08
so what’s in there that the tempo of the
63:10
track
63:10
it’s about 135 BPM okay bass and dubstep
63:14
is it dubsteps usually 120 cases usually
63:18
160 so there you go I don’t have much
63:24
yeah we are both nearly Fae
63:26
I don’t have much to say about that part
63:28
that is the tempo that’s no tempo but
63:31
you know no no I got something so bad
63:32
why you asked me a you asking me you
63:35
asked me one question sorry the tempo
63:37
yeah it’s about 135 right um what do you
63:41
think about that oh not much to say
63:43
about that no no no it’s it’s it’s it’s
63:46
it’s telling you that it’s it’s ominous
63:50
because if you’re really slow it’s sad
63:53
right it’s a ballad in it you know you
63:55
go an AE 80 bpm you’re talking drum and
64:02
bass you’re talking 160 like oh one day
64:09
for 30 shouldn’t be listen to John bass
64:11
have a heart attack
64:12
oh well yeah that’s you I listen to drum
64:15
and bass all the time William I didn’t I
64:17
don’t actually own our own bass but you
64:20
know 135 somewhere in between it’s it’s
64:22
giving you that sort of like oh yeah did
64:31
I explain that with just noises well
64:32
enough yeah I think so I got it okay
64:34
cool yeah that’s fine
64:35
it’s it’s not action-packed yeah there
64:39
will be some action yeah you’ll probably
64:42
be okay from not gonna die of a heart
64:44
attack yet yet all that cholesterol you
64:48
eat link what does he eat what do you
64:50
think links Dyer is mushrooms
64:52
that’s Mario’s diet oh and link so you
64:56
go on maybe this is just on the gameboy
64:57
one but you go and find the magic
64:59
mushroom in the lost the always magic
65:01
isn’t it is you’ve got to go find it and
65:03
there’s
65:04
a raccoon in there and I think you’ve
65:05
got to give the mushroom to the raccoon
65:07
and it stops him from being a raccoon
65:09
and turns him back into the person he’s
65:11
meant to be or you have to actually go I
65:13
think go to the witch with the mushroom
65:15
she makes it into a powder or something
65:16
then you sprinkle the powder on that no
65:18
point link is digested any mushrooms
65:20
white up maybe you didn’t eat it then so
65:23
yeah I just licks mushroom residue of
65:25
his finger doesn’t there’s a lot of
65:28
chickens about maybe use those no they
65:30
get too angry it’s too risky for link to
65:33
eat chickens just a cow essentially um
65:39
all right I’ve got a question here go on
65:43
for it I’ll answer it with words and not
65:45
sounds this time are there are there any
65:47
elements of the music is there anything
65:50
that I know this is the same question I
65:53
had before anything that stood out
65:54
basically that was the same question as
65:56
before I just have a different point oh
66:01
no I said I was going to use words
66:04
yeah no as I said I think it’s it’s
66:06
really distinctively zeldo musik and the
66:10
flute stands out what my point we have
66:13
about the flute I realize this is sort
66:15
of the same question before yeah but I
66:17
had the flu so right when the song
66:19
starts yeah it has the little quick like
66:22
semi quavers on the flute has a live
66:24
really little yeah yeah does that twice
66:26
before the melody starts okay so does it
66:28
ever do that again in this song is that
66:30
part here’s the meat it’s a 24 mile if
66:32
it does it does it is literally a loop
66:34
it’s you know okay cool yeah so I don’t
66:36
they didn’t have the tech to say well
66:38
just play on the first time yeah and
66:39
stop it
66:40
yeah I think if ya had a bit more tech
66:42
you would have just stopped it but it’s
66:44
quite a nice intro it sort of you’ve got
66:45
the cord you’ve got four bars of the
66:47
weird dissonant happy chord dissonant
66:49
chord yeah in between that you’ve got a
66:51
little ring okay nice and I think that
66:53
stood out for me because it’s a nice
66:55
little just to get your attention right
66:58
I think there was only one last question
67:01
which again you’ve already sort of
67:02
answered here is what are the sonic
67:03
colors of the mix is it dark right Sonic
67:06
bloody yeah this is Sonic Colors so so
67:09
this is synesthesia um well not you’re
67:13
not thinking actual colors unless you
67:15
have synesthesia and then you are
67:16
thinking actual colors
67:17
yeah you’re thinking the sonic what is
67:19
the sound of it is it bright and chirpy
67:21
oh is it like everything’s deep you know
67:28
what I mean
67:29
yeah yeah absolutely I just yeah the
67:33
annoying thing is it’s already got a
67:34
color assigned to it because it’s a wood
67:36
based song so it’s green you think you
67:39
know that the synesthesia again though
67:41
you don’t think of an actual color
67:43
I mean like how do you describe it the
67:45
Tom bruh okay well yes it’s yeah it’s
67:49
it’s basically the same question again
67:51
isn’t it because it’s it’s melancholic
67:53
it’s it’s well I had two bits and I
67:56
think I think you’ve got the flute for
67:58
me which sort of symbolizes link because
68:02
it’s quite fast and and all over the
68:04
places that little sword and burn about
68:06
killing things yeah
68:07
but then you’ve got the chords which are
68:09
a lot lower down and the bass especially
68:12
so the bass on the song mostly blasts
68:14
for two beats and it just says that goes
68:16
boom boom it just does like two beats on
68:20
that yes oh it does three beats and then
68:21
one that’s representative the forest
68:24
exactly how did you know because I do
68:27
ever so I for me I we could be looking
68:29
into this way too much
68:31
no how you been analyze a song without
68:33
looking into it way too much that’s what
68:35
you have to do yeah but that’s how I see
68:37
it I see is like you’ve got the chords a
68:39
sort of the danger the bass is the
68:41
forest itself of going it’s big and
68:44
encompassing and slow and then you’ve
68:46
got the flute at the top which is
68:48
mirrored by the thing that’s an octave
68:49
lower and the ermine and that’s linked
68:51
going around the forest take that you
68:54
play the grass exactly hots your
68:57
chickens where’s the Master Sword
69:00
Anita save a princess and that is my
69:03
analysis of the track yeah it’s really
69:06
good
69:06
I like that little I like the the last
69:09
little bit of you saying that’s the only
69:11
better like but I like the last little
69:12
bit have you saying that each and each
69:15
instrument has its individual
69:16
personality yeah and that’s but that’s a
69:19
good way of thinking when you compose
69:20
things isn’t it I think so something
69:22
that I haven’t really done personify the
69:24
instruments yeah well Bob yeah I guess
69:27
is it a pick like
69:29
what was I reading I’ve got a big book
69:32
on the Lord of the Rings music yeah and
69:35
the thing with Lord of the Rings because
69:37
it’s a massive epic Howard Shaw picked
69:39
out
69:40
he made themes for everyone or every
69:42
place yeah and then each thing each
69:45
theme had different instruments
69:46
representing different things so you
69:47
could have when you’re in Hobbiton you
69:49
have the little like piccolo thing doing
69:51
the melody on that but when they move
69:55
out to Bri or whatever is when they in
69:57
there it might still have the same kind
69:59
of theme it’ll be mixed with another one
70:01
but that the main theme that was on top
70:03
is not played on a nice little happy
70:04
instrument anymore it’ll be the same
70:06
notes but played on a different
70:08
instrument I thought you’re gonna say
70:09
the opposite I thought you meant the
70:10
instrument represented the thing so when
70:12
the hobbits like they’re represented by
70:14
the piccolo and when they are but then
70:16
when they’re when there’s well as the
70:18
theme when they meet like aux the orcs
70:21
are like a cello so then yes it’s that
70:24
plus a theme so you’ve got all these
70:26
things coming together at once yeah so
70:29
thinking in that way he writes themes
70:31
for people
70:32
he writes themes for areas and he also
70:34
thinks about the instrument specific to
70:36
the people or the area yeah and then if
70:39
they clash or if they go into a
70:41
different area he might change the theme
70:43
a little bit but he might change the
70:44
instrumentation quite a lot but you’ve
70:46
still got the same familiar kind of okay
70:48
so the whole bits are somewhere else now
70:49
I kind of recognize the tune yeah but
70:51
everything sounds a bit more scary
70:52
because there’s deeper instruments or
70:53
whatever it’s funny because it’s it’s
70:55
like you hear that and you’re like
70:57
that’s really clever of him to do that
70:59
that’s really clever but in a way that’s
71:00
a really helpful brighting tool for the
71:02
composer it actually makes it a little
71:04
bit easier for him I think it gives him
71:06
limitations almost you can’t well this
71:08
is for them so it must be yeah and
71:09
chirpy and yeah and then you can and
71:11
then you can go ah break that limitation
71:13
for this one moment and I’ll twist it
71:15
for this one moment and it’s how I like
71:17
to think of a lot of things is I like to
71:20
have systems yeah like here’s the
71:23
framework yeah go and do that and then
71:25
mess about with it it up yeah yeah
71:27
yeah definitely yeah it’s good how is
71:29
hand Zimmer oh the Shah went to yeah we
71:34
talked about you went to go see a
71:35
composer man well he wasn’t there our
71:37
bloody lair vowel no he was on big video
71:41
screen with a pre-recorded
71:42
in but that came on throughout lots a
71:45
bit so he actually explained all the
71:47
different tracks and that he was the
71:48
orchestra and stuff for playing has he
71:50
got a comical German accent yes
71:51
brilliant yeah cool but you would have
71:54
people on there like Ron Howard was on
71:57
the video as well so he’d be chatting to
71:59
him and sort of like a little personal
72:00
interview in there having a chat on the
72:02
couch and making jokes and talking to
72:03
the audience at the same time
72:05
yeah and idly at the audience at the
72:07
audience yet yeah and then they played
72:09
all his all his music and it was really
72:11
good but there was some stuff that was I
72:13
think specific like they hadn’t
72:14
performed that live or that version live
72:16
before I played it for so they were
72:18
rubbish but the one that got a London
72:22
Philharmonic er Philharmonic Corden no
72:24
it wasn’t it was a it might be in some
72:27
way German one it was it was the same
72:29
Orchestra every time I think yeah yeah
72:30
when they traveled with it
72:31
yeah I think could be wrong I’m pretty
72:34
sure that’s it but the one that got me
72:35
was the Lion King track okay they played
72:39
Lion King and it was the one where
72:43
Simba’s father where his name is Mufasa
72:46
father father I knew exactly what that
72:51
was from that was System of a Down
72:53
wasn’t it yeah it’s the way you looked
72:55
up at the sky The Lion King one yes what
72:59
got me like just like did you get that
73:03
from music when you get goosebumps yeah
73:06
we would only be doing a podcast about
73:08
music if I didn’t feel it happens very
73:09
rarely for me like it has to be a really
73:11
emotional piece something or something
73:14
that I’ve attached a motion to but that
73:15
one I had and it was the fact that
73:16
before that I think he said he wrote it
73:18
with the memory of the lion well with
73:21
the memory of his dead father like when
73:24
his father was dying so he wrote this
73:26
track kind of all with that emotion in
73:28
it and then they played all the stuff
73:29
and yeah and then it was there just
73:32
video of him crying on the show that’s
73:36
so nice but there’s security security
73:42
lady and then it was the halftime
73:45
halftime that’s when it was the
73:48
intermission yeah she came up to me and
73:51
the other two guys as with just like I
73:52
was watching you guys
73:54
you were completely in the moment and
73:55
there’s me go
73:56
oh Jesus like yeah I was in the moment
73:59
and now for the second half I know
74:00
you’re watching me so I can’t enjoy it
74:02
now so what woman came up to you said
74:03
she was security so cheery we knew we
74:06
were right by a gate right like that
74:08
separates half of the thing I am half of
74:11
the stadium stadium not saying would you
74:13
play dota theatre mmm it was the arena
74:17
Oh two arena oh that’s what it was it’s
74:19
not over two anymore is it something
74:20
else I don’t know I don’t know anyway
74:22
we’re at the Wembley Arena yeah not a
74:26
stadium yeah and so there’s like half
74:27
way along there’s a gate big fence and
74:30
she was in charge of letting the
74:31
important people through like our
74:33
security through that gate but normal
74:34
people won’t allow through there oh so
74:36
normal normal us but she was also paid
74:39
to watch you cry a little bit yeah but
74:42
then I knew
74:43
now she’s watching so I couldn’t enjoy
74:44
the second half as much because I was
74:46
very conscious of well she’s gonna turn
74:48
around at some point see much wonder
74:50
yeah watches her watching me it was a
74:53
very sexual evening for you hmm no but
74:56
it was good yeah yeah very enjoyable
74:58
okay cool and having a live orchestra I
75:01
think in front of you you just get
75:02
blasted with yeah you get that thing
75:05
that you don’t know you do get it from
75:07
recorded music but it’s the tomber of
75:09
everything isn’t it and you can feel you
75:11
can proper feel the music and also yeah
75:13
like this might be silly but mistakes
75:16
can be made and I like hearing those
75:18
mistakes when in fact they have people
75:20
on stage who were they had this one guy
75:22
playing some weird wind instrument thing
75:24
for the Lion King and he was like making
75:28
jokes on the stage and running about and
75:30
everyone was like oh he’s crazy
75:34
yeah but he brought it’s like something
75:36
he bought some we doing that during the
75:38
sad song as well yeah yeah do you know
75:43
this is a well rounded question
75:44
philarmonic what does that mean
75:46
no idea okay next google it now
75:49
philharmonic devoted to music that was
75:54
it like latin for that i don’t know this
75:58
just that’s what Philharmonic means it’s
76:00
an adjective it means devoted to music
76:02
devoted to music yep chiefly used in the
76:06
names of orchestras how could an
76:08
orchestra not be devote
76:10
– music – no slack off quite a bit
76:11
forget like to restring no I feel I’m
76:15
Monica enough mate are you casual about
76:17
music really me yeah I’m only practice
76:20
food you know 34 years
76:22
yeah not me that people who didn’t that
76:24
no yeah I’m not that old
76:26
no no you are nope yeah yeah Panzer was
76:31
good Panama was very good
76:34
cool thanks for listening and I hope you
76:41
enjoyed it
76:42
did you enjoy it with it I had a nice
76:44
time nice I had I had a wonderful time
76:47
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76:49
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madness yeah this this podcast yeah and
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77:33
they’ve been like mate don’t use iTunes
77:34
you know I don’t either
77:36
they like what are you like John I mean
77:38
I’m not a shell I don’t I don’t use that
77:40
iTunes I don’t all the other stuff yeah
77:43
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77:45
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78:06
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faces on there so they know exactly who
78:10
we are and what we look like
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yeah they don’t need to know what would
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78:22
what – that guy right yeah be right if
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you if you think that oh yeah I know
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agree with you do we have to do
78:33
shoutouts no nobody knew was well we
78:36
could we could do we could repeat the
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shoutouts yeah I didn’t know how does
78:40
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78:45
they’re a new listener at the moment
78:47
there’s only three so we could do those
78:49
people well there’s no mystery okay yeah
78:52
there is that there is a silent there’s
78:54
a silent helper but you know if those
78:58
numbers get like a hundred they were not
79:00
doing the same people every week no
79:02
that’s a good point okay
79:03
but those are the people who are support
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79:08
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indulgent sure I was gonna say I’m on
79:26
Spotify now and where is that found oh
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yeah I have a tracfone Spotify I just
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got one I wanted to try out see how easy
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it is to put stuff up there so I think
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we should talk about your experience
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with that next week yeah yeah I’m gonna
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put a link to the track in the show
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notes yeah cuz I can borrow can say a
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bit now as well alright going when
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they’re going to Spotify in search for a
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wheel heavy well and I’ve got one track
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on there it counts as an EP apparently
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noise yeah and it’s called beautiful
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dreamer and it’s an orchestral version
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of a I think it’s a Stephen Foster tune
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from the 1860s Wow you can go called
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Stephen Foster back annuities Stephen C
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Foster I think he is and – check it out
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[Music]
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wait a minute hold in the microphone is
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making some wobbly sounds the the inside
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of your knee is called the poppet hmm
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the inside of your knee is called the
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popliteal fossa sometimes referred to as
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the me pit or here’s well the me pit is
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disgusting yeah or half the half which
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is spelt like cough except with an H so
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it could be how but I’m guessing it’s
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hot I’m guessing it’s off doesn’t say
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I’m going to call them knee pits from
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now on it’s a shallow depression located
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at the back of the knee joint I’m going
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to call it the popliteal fossa okay
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absolute prick there’s some information
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for you listeners well it could be if
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you decide to put this in Willie oh yeah
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blow my microphone rustling and that
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I’ll make decision make a split-second
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decision already made it oh it’s not
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going in
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Show Notes
We delve into the future of gaming with Apple Arcade and Google Stadia before deconstructing a classic Zelda tune.
